GPU's

[pibbuR]

I am confused.

I'm turning 70 this year, and I'm considering buying my self a new slightly ultra-fast PC. Deciding on CPU's are fairly easy. But when it comes to GPU's things are much more difficult. For NVidia we have the 40xx's, the 40xx Supers and the 40xx Ti's, and for all I know there are even more weirdly named ones (don't get me started on the 50xx's, they're not started yet). WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENCES (apart from the price)?

pibbuR who won't use them for mining, but who has a couple of 4K screens.

PS. My current PC has a 2080Ti. And a Ryzen 5950x. Built that one as a retirement present. DS

 

[Redglyph]

I only have a 3070 RTX and I haven't followed that for a while, so I'm sure some people here will have more knowledge and a better advice. I've always favoured NVIDIA for the reliability of the drivers and solid GPUs, but it looks like AMD has more or less caught up. It also looks like they're more or less on par with features, so it's more about the price vs performance and availability.

Then there's the CPU and the memory, which have a significant impact on performances, too.

What scares me is the amount of power they require these days. This seems to require a good knowledge of what power unit you need and whether it has reliable connections to the graphics card and motherboard. And a good case to dissipate all that heat without being too noisy.

I ... actually have given more questions than answers, haven't I?

 

[danutz_plusplus]

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[SirJames]

I am confused.

I'm turning 70 this year, and I'm considering buying my self a new slightly ultra-fast PC. Deciding on CPU's are fairly easy. But when it comes to GPU's things are much more difficult. For NVidia we have the 40xx's, the 40xx Supers and the 40xx Ti's, and for all I know there are even more weirdly named ones (don't get me started on the 50xx's, they're not started yet). WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENCES (apart from the price)?

pibbuR who won't use them for mining, but who has a couple of 4K screens.

PS. My current PC has a 2080Ti. And a Ryzen 5950x. Built that one as a retirement present. DS

(Very drunk at the time of writing this!)

I've been building enthusiast PCs for over 20 years.

The 5090 is rumoured to be a 448 menory bus, which is a bit of a half-measure considering AMD did a 512bit bus years ago. I'm sure the 5090 will beat everything, but if theres a 512 coming that's the one to get.

Personally, as someone who doesn't care about ray tracing, I went with the top end AMD card, but in Unreal5 engine, which will be used a lot, going forward, the best AMD card can only manage around 45FPS at 4k native in ultra settings. If you want o get really good performance you have to use "FSR Performance" which actually upscales from 1080p to 4k. Then you get over 110fps in "4k".

The 4090 is better, but double the price and you'll still want to use DLSS upscaling. There's nothing that can do UE5 max settings at 4k native.

 

[danutz_plusplus]

Personally, as someone who doesn't care about ray tracing, I went with the top end AMD card, but in Unreal5 engine, which will be used a lot, going forward, the best AMD card can only manage around 45FPS at 4k native in ultra settings.

My 4090 could only keep 45-60 max in Hellblade 2 at close to 4k all maxed out. On average it was probably close to 50 fps. And that's a very constrained environment. It will be interesting if it could be optimized further.
I will curious how and if CDPR manages to build an open world in UE5 and still maintain that level of visual fidelity. It'll certainly be an interesting thing to keep up with.

 

[SirJames]

My 4090 could only keep 45-60 max in Hellblade 2 at close to 4k all maxed out. On average it was probably close to 50 fps. And that's a very constrained environment. It will be interesting if it could be optimized further.
I will curious how and if CDPR manages to build an open world in UE5 and still maintain that level of visual fidelity. It'll certainly be an interesting thing to keep up with

The game I'm most looking forwards to, being a huge sci-fi nerd, is DUNE, which is on Unreal5. Even with 4090 50fps @ 4K native sounds about right. Seems like upscaling is the future, whether it be FSR or DLSS.

Sorry, I'm seriously smashed. I hope that makes sense, can't even proof read it, atm.... XD

 

[JDR13]

I'm turning 70 this year, and I'm considering buying my self a new slightly ultra-fast PC. Deciding on CPU's are fairly easy. But when it comes to GPU's things are much more difficult. For NVidia we have the 40xx's, the 40xx Supers and the 40xx Ti's, and for all I know there are even more weirdly named ones (don't get me started on the 50xx's, they're not started yet). WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENCES (apart from the price)?

The 40xx Supers are a refresh of the 40xx lineup, so that's what you want if go with Nvidia (if you're going to build it this year). The 50xx aren't due out until the end of the year or early next year, and no one really knows much about them yet. Anything you see regarding specs is just speculation (no pun intended).

If you go with AMD, don't get anything less than the RX 7900 XTX.

 

[Drithius]

Happy early 70th, Pibbur! You're catching up to Corwin!

 

[SirJames]

no one will ever catch up to corwin

 

[Pladio]

The 40xx Supers are a refresh of the 40xx lineup, so that's what you want if go with Nvidia (if you're going to build it this year). The 50xx aren't due out until the end of the year or early next year, and no one really knows much about them yet. Anything you see regarding specs is just speculation (no pun intended).

If you go with AMD, don't get anything less than the RX 7900 XTX.

I've got a 7900 XT and it's been really good.
I guess that if Pibbur has the money, there's no reason not to go for the XTX though

 

[Alrik Fassbauer]

What about the current ? I mean, that costs money as well, doesn't it ? I fear that a fast GPU will also consume lots of money this way ... ?

BTW. , my PC manufacturer thinks that this might be good for my new PC (still in planning stage), what do you think ?
Typing from the sheet : "Asus Dual-RTX3060-O12G-V2"
One of my wishes was it to be rather/quite silent, and not expensive in current costs.

 

[SirJames]

The 5090 is rumoured to be a 448 menory bus, which is a bit of a half-measure considering AMD did a 512bit bus years ago. I'm sure the 5090 will beat everything, but if theres a 512 coming that's the one to get.

5090 512bit bus confirmed!

 

[SveNitoR]

5090 512bit bus confirmed!

It will be interesting to see how they all perform in actual tests. They claim the 5070 will be on par with 4090 which is cool, but it will only have 12 GB DDR7 which might be too little for today's games. And the cost of even that card will be 549 USD before sales tax. Ugh, I miss the time of being able to buy a decent GPU for 250 dollars after tax...

 

[JDR13]

It will be interesting to see how they all perform in actual tests. They claim the 5070 will be on par with 4090 which is cool, but it will only have 12 GB DDR7 which might be too little for today's games. And the cost of even that card will be 549 USD before sales tax. Ugh, I miss the time of being able to buy a decent GPU for 250 dollars after tax...

Their claims are mostly bunk. We were talking about that in the other thread. Their purported benchmarks are using DLSS 4 and frame generation.

NVIDIA GTC Keynote, RTX 40, AI and Metaverse

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/nvidia-may-release-the-rtx-5080-in-24gb-and-16gb-flavors-the-higher-vram-capacity-will-come-in-the-future-via-3gb-gddr7-chips Makes sense. It'll probably be the "Ti' or "Super" version with the greater VRAM amount.

rpgwatch.com

 

[booboo]

@JDR13 yeah, saw that for games that don't use frame generation the gains are pretty modest....given the price premium. Granted, if they can truly create accurate frames from a small number of correctly rendered samples - then it make sense to do that, but it' still really just fancy interpolation ultimately. Not "correctly" rendered direct from the geometry. Guess we need to see how good it is...I just bought a cheaper 4070 (yp from a 3070) which is fine for me...

 

[SirJames]

It will be interesting to see how they all perform in actual tests. They claim the 5070 will be on par with 4090 which is cool, but it will only have 12 GB DDR7 which might be too little for today's games. And the cost of even that card will be 549 USD before sales tax. Ugh, I miss the time of being able to buy a decent GPU for 250 dollars after tax...

Yeah, 12GB isn't enough for 4k. I'm often seeing 16GB use even in older games like Elite Dangerous. (Along with 24gb system memory use!)

While I think I covered it in my unhinged rant in the other AMD thread, I feel like we might be hitting peak hardware performance and pretty soon all GPUs will be the same with varying AI co-processors and memory amounts. So, you probably can get a decent GPU for 250 if you're not interested in your AI frame generation performance in the AAA games that support it.

Also, that new Intel GPU can compete with a 4060ti in most games and even a 4070ti in some games like Diablo4. That's priced around 250.

 

[JDR13]

Yeah, 12GB isn't enough for 4k. I'm often seeing 16GB use even in older games like Elite Dangerous. (Along with 24gb system memory use!)

Especially since the Radeon RX 9070 will have 16GB and is rumored to be slightly cheaper than the 5070.

I'm surprised Nvidia didn't go with 16GB for the 5070 and 20 or 24GB for the 5080.

 

[SirJames]

I'm surprised Nvidia didn't go with 16GB for the 5070 and 20 or 24GB for the 5080.

Yeah, I think we were all expecting 24gb on the 5080. NVIDIA always goes cheap on the RAM. It's good for their industry leading obsolescence strategy.