AMD Radeon RX 7000 GPUs Launch in November

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AMD is launching their new Radeon RX 7000 RDNA 3 GPUs on November 3rd.

Probably cheaper then Nvidia new GPU's if scalpers don't raise prices again.
 
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Probably buy the 7700 XT or 7600 XT. As my days of buying High end cards are over.
 
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Personally, after the last 2 years or whatever of their shenanigans, I classify NVIDIA and AMD as the scalpers. Now that they've been caught with their trousers round their ankles, I would love to see their share values plummet, and shareholders crying their poor eyes out....LOL..... F*^% 'em.
 
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Yeah true that they sold most of their stock to bitcoin miners and shafted the average gamer. I can't deny it but there are no other options and Intels Arc GPUs are a mess.
 
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Yeah true that they sold most of their stock to bitcoin miners and shafted the average gamer. I can't deny it but there are no other options and Intels Arc GPUs are a mess.
Well, fingers crossed, you never know. Six months down the line, Intel might have ironed out their driver problems. And anyway, when is their next project (Battlespire?) due to see the light of day?
 
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Now that they've been caught with their trousers round their ankles
I must have missed that, what was discovered? I thought it was simply the component shortage together with those damned useless miners? NVIDIA made some moves to block them and offer new specific hardware, but that's all I know. (And I don't follow AMD/ATI. I'm ignoring their GPUs because of too many problems in the past.)

Now the prices have dropped dramatically and are mostly back to normal (which is admittedly expensive).

It's good that there's another player, even if it's already a top CPU designer / manufacturer. Those are bound to consolidate anyway so it's inevitable.
 
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The shortage was part of the increase in prices but it wasn't the only factor. Bit-coin miners got the bulk of the available inventory while the average Joe couldn't even buy one.
Good graphs in article but article is behind a paywall.
The past year has been rough for gamers. Just as covid-19 brought in-person entertainment to a halt, the cost of graphics processing units (gpus) needed to run computer games soared. Graphics cards like Nvidia’s rtx 3080, with a suggested price of $699, have fetched up to $2,400. When bricks-and-mortar stores get a few in stock, buyers queue up overnight.

Prices for all types of chips have risen of late, for myriad reasons. Silicon wafers are scarce. Manufacturers have suffered disruptions. Scalpers use bots to buy up inventory. Chinese-made chips face American tariffs. And demand for personal computers is the highest since 2010.

Nonetheless, data from Keepa, a website that tracks Amazon listings, show that asking prices for gpus have risen faster than have those for central processing units (cpus). The data also suggest that miners of Ethereum, the second-largest cryptocurrency, are to blame for gamers’ woes.

gpus and cpus both perform calculations, but they are used for different purposes. gpus are specialised chips that excel at matrix algebra, which is required for 3d graphics and machine-learning tasks like translating languages. They are also the best tool for mining Ethereum (though not bitcoin). In contrast, cpus are more versatile, and handle most everyday operations.

In general, chips lose value over time as new, more powerful ones are developed. Technological gains have slowed since the 1990s, but cpus still obey this trend. For example, a nine-year-old cpu like Intel’s Core i7-3770 sells for a third of its release price.

However, prices for gpus have risen so much that even geriatric graphics cards, such as amd’s rx580, have gained value. It was released in 2017 at a suggested price of $229, and is now listed at more than $700.

In theory, such appreciation could reflect the growing popularity of gaming and machine learning. However, secondhand market data suggest a different cause.
Since 2015 asking prices for six gpus tracked by Keepa have moved in lockstep with Ethereum’s value. In late 2017 the currency’s first big rally coincided with a surge in listed gpu prices. Once the crypto bubble burst, gpu costs fell back to earth.

Another boom began last year. As Ethereum’s price rose from $107 in March 2020 to $4,400 last month, the value of mining hardware once again followed suit. In six months, the six gpus’ listed prices climbed by 150%. Those of cpus barely budged.

The gpu shortage has hurt data scientists and computer-aided-design users as well as gamers. Some relief may be on the way. Ethereum’s price is now 40% below its record high. gpu prices have yet to fall, but if history is any guide, they probably will soon. Moreover, Nvidia has tried to cripple its gpus’ mining power, while promising to sell new cards targeted at miners. It is also cutting back on its output of older products to focus on newer ones.

However, without greater production, customising chips will not end the shortage. Nvidia’s rtx 3080 Ti, one of its first cards with reduced mining power, is listed on Amazon at double its suggested price.

Meanwhile, Ethereum’s overseers said in May that they will rejig its blockchain to require less computation, and thus less electricity. If implemented, this might lower gpu prices. However, as long as other cryptocurrencies, such as Monero, rely on power-hungry protocols that reward good gpus, miners will pivot to different coins—and gamers will once again cry foul.
Now that crypto doesn't need GPUs both NVIDIA and AMD are in full panic mode as the available stock is overabundant, and the market is flooded with cheaper used cards.

As you see in the other thread the price points are still bloated for these new cards.
 
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It doesn't take a genius to understand that when they make more money during a supply shortage with an absurd price explosion than they did before, the price increase can't be explained away by the shortage.

As any good capitalist knows - prices are determined by perceived value in a consumer-oriented society.

This is all about exploitation - and no amount of bullshit explanation will change that.
 
The shortage was part of the increase in prices but it wasn't the only factor. Bit-coin miners got the bulk of the available inventory while the average Joe couldn't even buy one.
But so it doesn't look like GPU makers have done anything to create that situation, I'm having a hard time seeing what we reproach them. New cards are more expensive but it's always been like that, the whole things is pulled by R&D and production NREs.

It doesn't take a genius to understand that when they make more money during a supply shortage with an absurd price explosion than they did before, the price increase can't be explained away by the shortage.
Do you have anything to back that claim? I'm probably not a genius because I can't see it. They're not benefactors, that's granted, they're companies based on profit. But I've always been told that you didn't maximize profit by raising the price above the offer/demand equilibrium so I'm not sure why they'd do it with the worst timing.
 
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The point is they didn't mostly cause it just partially by taking advantage of various market factors. Record profits amid the whole affair doesn't make them want to alter it either.

Lately I wonder when enough is enough apparently never with modern capitalism.
 
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Do you have anything to back that claim? I'm probably not a genius because I can't see it. They're not benefactors, that's granted, they're companies based on profit. But I've always been told that you didn't maximize profit by raising the price above the offer/demand equilibrium so I'm not sure why they'd do it with the worst timing.
At the time, they all had record profits (most of the big tech companies) - and I'm sure you can Google the details.

I'm not invested in convincing you or anyone else, so I don't really feel like digging it up.

But the point isn't that they raised the price above the equilibrium - but that they exploited the perception generated by the shortage, like so many others did.

It's human opportunism 101 - and I'm surprised I even have to argue something so straightforward.

They had to increase prices, obviously - question is if they raised them more than they really had to - to maintain their current standards.

Do you honestly think they wouldn't go beyond, if the trends dictated more profit?
 
This is about all I want to bother with - but it was all over the news, with some of the tech suits generating more than 100% extra during the worst of the pandemic/shortage.



Maybe that's incidental, sure (gamers magically got rich at home with job troubles) - that's where personal perception enters the picture.
 
What I see is that they couldn't meet the demand, so it's normal they raised the price. Why the demand was so high is another subject, but from what the news reported back then, there had been an increase of activity in mining and blockchain algorithms in general. NVIDIA responded by introducing the LHR limitation.

I'm only asking because I've seen several similar allegations and I'm interested to know if they are true. It's a natural reaction to try and find a scapegoat when so many things go wrong, and to jump to conclusions too quickly. I don't know about you but I'm working in that domain and I've seen similar shortages and price increasing dramatically for a lot of components, so not only GPUs but CPUs, USB chips, FPGAs, ... at any level. Boards were not available, or their specs were changed on a weekly basis to replace missing components, it was crazy.

So I wasn't particularly shocked by NVIDIA's prices, nor by their sales given the demand. I know other high-tech companies who were lucky or could adapt to the situation, that doesn't automatically make them evil.
 
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Many things are common, including people seeing what they want - or prefer - to see regardless of contrary information hitting them in the face.

I have no hard evidence of any kind that Nvidia did what they could to exploit the situation - and, again, I have no investment in you agreeing with me.

Same goes for my position that current inflation rates are being heavily exploited by a large number of people - because they know the perception out there will support them increasing prices beyond what would represent a status quo.

As for moralizing and calling people "evil" for being human - that's not the kind of thing I'm into. I don't see things in that way at all.

So, that's a strawman - which I don't care for.

Anyway, I'm done here.
 
That must be a cultural difference, I'm just not used to accuse people without good information when all the facts points in the other direction. I may be naive, or perhaps knowledge from my line of work gives me another picture.

It's perfectly fine if you prefer not to discuss it, as if it fine if I don't take what some journalist print at face value.

As for moralizing and calling people "evil" for being human - that's not the kind of thing I'm into.
Well, that's how you depicted them, maybe I misunderstood. Are you saying that what they did is fine, then? It's getting hard to follow, so let's stop it there. :)
 
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I think this has less to do with you trying to understand, and more to do with you struggling to accept that other people think differently from yourself without it being a negative somehow.

Something you have demonstrated on multiple occasions.

It's the kind of (not so) subtle arrogance and deceitful behavior (the pretending you want to understand part) that I really can't stand - so I'm going to have to put you on ignore for both our sakes.
 
 
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AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX is $600 cheaper than the Nvidia RTX 4090.
The more important thing to myself - esp the 7900 XT is they have a much lower power requirement; waiting to see the actual perf reviews that will likely show up in a couple of weeks.
 
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Regarding the aforementioned "price-gouging", this thread has had me rolling me eyes at all its misinformation and blanket generalizations.

  • Trump Tariffs were (AND STILL ARE) massively responsible for the MSRP on 30xx video cards getting bumped up quite a bit.
  • Prices for the AMD 6800xt and Nvidia 3080 Reference series were $650 and $800, respectively. This lines up with long-typical pricing models, after the addition of said tariffs.
  • Covid supply shortages may have started the frustration of consumers, but it was the crypto craze that really ran with it - long after supply chains would have mostly recovered. The market does not discern between someone wanting to buy a single video card every 5 years and someone wanting to buy 5 cards a month for as long as Ethereum prices hold out.
  • Add in scalpers and third-party resellers smelling blood in the air, and it was a lovely time indeed. Although some AIB partners used the opportunity to increase their margins, the majority of cards on the market were being sold by your common man looking to fuck you over.
The insanity of GPU prices during the pandemic was practically never about "AMD bad Nvidia bad" or any other 4 year old's reasoning, but moreso various market factors working the way they are set up to do so - to exploit you as much as possible.

And, as for record profits, what do you expect when you have unprecedented sales? Hard to take a lot of this thread seriously.
[...]my position that current inflation rates are being heavily exploited by a large number of people - because they know the perception out there will support them increasing prices beyond what would represent a status quo.
There is *some* truth to this, but you need to be careful not to extrapolate it to entire market sectors and turn it into an outright conspiracy.
 
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