Is this coming for android?
They're slightly overpriced, at least at release. But the build quality is fucking superb, love the feel of the ipad, it doesnt feel like cheap toy like most electronics these days and the screen is great. It's not meant to be an alternative to a computer or to serious gaming.. At least i doubt anyone would buy one to completely replace a stationary computer, it's a tablet and that's what it competes with.
I'm not just talking about tablets. Also, "quality feel" is a pointless superficial thing when you get outdated every 6-24 months. Who cares how long your iPad lasts when you're going to upgrade it with that alarming frequency.
Might be superficial but i still want it to be durable and have a nice feel if its something i use daily, i gladly pay for quality.
I'm not just talking about tablets. Also, "quality feel" is a pointless superficial thing when you get outdated every 6-24 months. Who cares how long your iPad lasts when you're going to upgrade it with that alarming frequency.
Is this coming for android?
This is where economics comes into play - if I spent $829 for a top-end iPad 1 and sold it for $600 when the iPad 2 came out and paid another $829 for that one, and also sold it for $600 to buy the $829 iPad 3, and then repeated that for the iPad 4 … I would have spent $1500 for four top-end tablets with cellular data.
Android devices (like PCs) lack the resale value hold - they are like a car where the second you open the box the value drops by 50% (obvious exaggeration). But in terms of tablets, for $1500 you would get nowhere near the long-term value …
Who would be stupid enough to pay $600 for a used, last generation, iPad?
This is true and extremely important - whatever we are discussing now is different than last year and next year.The smartphone/tablet market is in constant flux
That's an interesting scenario that's not supported by any experience of mine.
My problem is the word 'significant' … as a statistician it means one thing (which I agree with), but in common vernacular it tends to mean 'exorbitant'. That is part of the old and debunked 'I could build a more powerful computer for half the price with all the same components'. Um, no. Apple has the #1 quality rating, #1 service, #1 resale value for a REASON. They spend money on components that others will not.It has nothing to do with the fact that Apple products are significantly overpriced in terms of the hardware they're using.
I'm not sure why you think Android devices lack resale value - but that's not something I've heard about. Where I come from, stuff like Samsung products are very popular and I doubt they have less resale values than iPads or iPhones.
Obviously, if you're biased and you WANT Apple products to somehow not be overpriced despite facts disputing that - you'll find whatever avenue to support that theory.
Who would be stupid enough to pay $600 for a used, last generation, iPad?
My point exactly
I'm debating currently whether I should buy an iPad or an Android tablet. I was leaning towards Android but was bummed that I wouldn't get to play BG on it. To hear that BG will be out at a later date might just tip me over the edge and get an Android.
Of course it will be a hit on the iPad as there is a serious RPG drought on the device. To bad I never had the need for any apple product. Yes you read that right never bought or owned a single apple product. Not going to buy one just to try this.
This is true and extremely important - whatever we are discussing now is different than last year and next year.
And honestly, I don't think we disagree as much as you think we do.
I can only go on my own experience … and as someone who has owned short-lifecycle products (i.e. laptops, PDAs, and now smartphones and tablets) almost exclusively for ages (sold off my last desktop in 1997) I have done more than my fair share of selling devices from pretty much every maker out there. Bottom line - you will get a >50% better return on your investment on an Apple computer than anything else.
My problem is the word 'significant' … as a statistician it means one thing (which I agree with), but in common vernacular it tends to mean 'exorbitant'. That is part of the old and debunked 'I could build a more powerful computer for half the price with all the same components'. Um, no. Apple has the #1 quality rating, #1 service, #1 resale value for a REASON. They spend money on components that others will not.
And honestly, based on my usage - I call the iPad my 90% computer for a reason - I find the value to be tremendous for the price. There are so many ways in which the Android OS is simply 'not ready for tablet prime time' … and my bank account knows how I have tried …
BUT … I will definitely say that Apple has veered into 'significant' over-pricing territory this year in three ways:
- iPod Touch should have been $100 cheaper.
- iPad Mini should have been $249 - 279 for the base unit (but even at $329 it is the best small tablet I've ever touched)
- the $100 memory bump price is just out of control greedy … everyone else moved to $50, heck even $75 would have been better.
Samsung *phones* since 2011 have been well built and popular, and my Galaxy SIII could get great resale value (as opposed to the S2 which I despised, the S3 is really good - but I also hated the Galaxy Note 2, that went back today). Samsung tablets have sold like garbage, and therefore at resale they get a much lower % of their retail … I mean, why pay the $499 the Galaxy Tab 7.7 wanted when the Nexus 7 is $199?
No, this isn't about bias - I am not saying Apple products are 'better'. These facts are not in dispute: Apple IS the #1 rated brand for quality, service and customer loyalty.
This has a long history of being true, which has led to a history of used Apple computers selling for a greater % of original value than PCs. That is something most reasonable people would not argue.
As for how that translates in the current smartphone/tablet market … as you say the market is volatile and fast-moving, so assessing a fixed opinion is a dangerous thing. All I can go on is that over the past few years I have sold off several Apple products and also several from Motorola, HP/Palm, HTC, Samsung, ASUS, Acer and LG. And in *every* case the 'retained value' of the Apple products was higher. And in most cases … MUCH higher.
You bring up something important - context. My entire discussion of 'reasonable pricing' is in the context of an easily demonstrated superfluous luxury item (smartphone, tablet) compared with an ACTUALLY reasonably priced item which was the context you were bringing.
In terms of usage, I know I am an outlier, and more people use their tablets as toys than as productivity tools. But I did a challenge recently where I used the iPad almost exclusively for a month - only using the PC for gaming and the Mac for syncing my Garmin running watch … and it turned into two months, and I am still mostly using the iPad. When it comes to productivity apps, mobile gaming - and in particular music production tools the iPad is simply unmatched in a mobile OS platform. But again … I could get a Macbook Air and have more capabilities with only a slight bump in weight and loss of battery life.
Has anyone tried it on iPhone?
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