I may have to close this thread. I can't have Dte and Thrasher not only agreeing with each other, but patting each other on the back!! There's got to be a rule against that somewhere!!!!
Not saying it's OK, I just think all this uproar is hypocritical political poopoo since I think Germany and France spy as well.
Please…. Germany spies on the US, France spies on the US, everyone spies on everyone, just may be not as effectively as others, but they would if they could. This is all a bunch fake grandstanding for political reasons, and trying to save face.
Before you get carried away with your righteous indignation, I want you to think about something. Do Germany and France have intelligence divisions similar to the CIA? Sure they do. What do you think those guys do all day? I'll give you a hint- it ain't taking naps and making smores.That's just an assumption, and without any proof that statement is plain worthless. So yeah, if Snowden leaks at some point that Germany taped Obama's phone, secretly copied Michelle's cookbook, or put a remote control chip into Ted Cruz' brain, then you'll have a point. Until then you (and all the other "oh well, everyone does it" NSA apologists) just don't.
The BND acts as an early warning system to alert the German government to threats to German interests from abroad. It depends heavily on wiretapping and electronic surveillance of international communications.
Before you get carried away with your righteous indignation, I want you to think about something. Do Germany and France have intelligence divisions similar to the CIA? Sure they do. What do you think those guys do all day? I'll give you a hint- it ain't taking naps and making smores.
Willful ignorance is just so cute. More power to ya, I suppose. You'll just have to forgive me if I don't even try to act contrite to soothe your ruffled feathers.You're repeating yourself and it doesn't make your argument any more valid.
Again, where is the proof that the secret services of Germany or France have spied on the upper tiers of the US government or systematically recorded phone calls or email traffic of millions of US citizens within the US? As long as you can't deliver that proof, the point you are trying to make is moot.
Willful ignorance is just so cute. More power to ya, I suppose. You'll just have to forgive me if I don't even try to act contrite to soothe your ruffled feathers.
See, y'all are missing the point. "Everybody doing it" isn't a justification. We do it because we can and under Hopey Peace Prize it's been decided that it helps the nation to do so (feel free to disagree, many Americans do). That's the beginning and end of the justification. You don't even figure into the discussion at that point. So sorry.Be my guest. Doesn't change the fact that all you can do is to repeat your "…but everyone does it! boo-hoo" claim. Let me know when you have something else to discuss.
See, y'all are missing the point. "Everybody doing it" isn't a justification. We do it because we can and under Hopey Peace Prize it's been decided that it helps the nation to do so (feel free to disagree, many Americans do). That's the beginning and end of the justification. You don't even figure into the discussion at that point. So sorry.
"Everybody doing it" just proves that your indignation is completely empty. I'll take hypocrisy for 200 Euros, Alex.
I bet they were spying to find out why ppl love beer more than guns outside of US.