PCGamesN asks Nightdive why they switched from Unity to Unreal Engine 4 for the System Shock Remake.
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System Shock - Why Unreal Engine 4?
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I think it's more than that, corporations only care about buy up IPs and sitting on them. These are small companies than recognize how good these games are and remakes accomplish two major goals.
Reinvigorate the IP, believe it or not, a huge number of gamers have never played these games and often can't because they don't have the knowledge to get them running on modern systems. Or sometimes, great games had frustrating systems and no Tutorials, to explain them. Secondly, because small developers are much more customer friendly and want their customers to enjoy the game. Not only, to tell their friends, but to be repeat customers for sequels.
Corporations like ea don't care if you like it or it's fun, they just want your money. Small developers actually visit forums, ask for suggestions and make changes. I've always advocated for Unreal, because of it's ability to scale to different systems, while still being one of the most beautiful rendering engines I've seen. Hell, I still remember advocating PB use Unreal for Gothic 3 before it was made, more than 12 years ago, back at the Dot.
Reinvigorate the IP, believe it or not, a huge number of gamers have never played these games and often can't because they don't have the knowledge to get them running on modern systems. Or sometimes, great games had frustrating systems and no Tutorials, to explain them. Secondly, because small developers are much more customer friendly and want their customers to enjoy the game. Not only, to tell their friends, but to be repeat customers for sequels.
Corporations like ea don't care if you like it or it's fun, they just want your money. Small developers actually visit forums, ask for suggestions and make changes. I've always advocated for Unreal, because of it's ability to scale to different systems, while still being one of the most beautiful rendering engines I've seen. Hell, I still remember advocating PB use Unreal for Gothic 3 before it was made, more than 12 years ago, back at the Dot.
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I always thought the biggest advantage to Unity was that it was cheap. Are there actually any others?
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From what I've heard, flexibility in scripting. That's why the UA devs went for Unity.
Lucky Day
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Right, I think the U4 engine costs 10 of 1000's of dollars, especially on console.
The difference here is they have devs that know it and don't want to learn Unity. A cost/benefit analysis, even at the top of their head, probably thinks this is the cheapest option.
Don't be fooled. Small developers want to make lots and lots of money too.
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Unity reminds me of Java.
A lot of people swear by it - and claim it's perfectly capable of great performance.
It's just that I've never seen an example of that in real life
Since I'm all about pragmatism and not much of a theory guy - I'm not the biggest fan of Unity for games that rely on making a strong visual impression.
A lot of people swear by it - and claim it's perfectly capable of great performance.
It's just that I've never seen an example of that in real life
Since I'm all about pragmatism and not much of a theory guy - I'm not the biggest fan of Unity for games that rely on making a strong visual impression.
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Lucky Day
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Unity reminds me of Java.
A lot of people swear by it - and claim it's perfectly capable of great performance.
It's just that I've never seen an example of that in real life
Since I'm all about pragmatism and not much of a theory guy - I'm not the biggest fan of Unity for games that rely on making a strong visual impression.
Oh look, I agreed with Dart.
Unity is also really weird to program in. It supports C# and Javascript, yes, but its its own thing, with its own techniques of doing things. You really have to know the Unity library and how the toolset works.
Ah, that's interesting. When I looked at it back in the day for Android they were reserving it for a big price tag IIRC.
I don't give a rat's ass why they switched.
All I know is that I'm glad they did, and this is my most anticipated game for 2018 by far.
All I know is that I'm glad they did, and this is my most anticipated game for 2018 by far.
azarhal beat me to the news Unreal is Free, especially for indie developers.
Bloodlust Shadowhunter was made by one guy and he used Unreal 4. It actually runs very well. I highly recommend the game if your like dungeon crawlers and vampires. Factions, with lots of Choice and Consequence, not to mention you can Sire enough to create your own Clan.
Bloodlust Shadowhunter was made by one guy and he used Unreal 4. It actually runs very well. I highly recommend the game if your like dungeon crawlers and vampires. Factions, with lots of Choice and Consequence, not to mention you can Sire enough to create your own Clan.
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Layers of Fear and Osiris New Dawn come to mind. Also Tyranny and Tides of Numenera both run on Unity. And Pillars of Eternity. And Wasteland 2 (although I can't argue that it looks beautiful).It's just that I've never seen an example of that in real life
Cities Skylines runs Unity as well, if I remember correctly.
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Haven't played the first two. But the rest I wouldn't call reliant on a strong visual impression - but all three of PoE, Torment and Wasteland 2 ran much worse than they should given how they look and what's going on.
For something like System Shock - I would definitely worry about performance even more, as it's obviously going to rely on the visual impression a whole lot more than turn-based or RTwP RPGs.
I'm not saying Unity isn't a fine engine for a certain kind of game - but just imagine something like Witcher 3, Mass Effect or Prey running on it.
I shudder to think of that!
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First, after conversations with both Epic and Unity, Nightdive decided Unreal Engine 4 would be the better choice for hitting their performance targets on consoles.
In a nutshell, PC version to follow console directions…
100% agree with mercy. Unlike JDR13, this is now NOT my most anticipated 2018 release. Hoping to be proved wrong, but not holding my breath.
In a nutshell, PC version to follow console directions…
100% agree with mercy. Unlike JDR13, this is now NOT my most anticipated 2018 release. Hoping to be proved wrong, but not holding my breath.
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I'm happily joining the minority two of you are a part of. Had enough of seeing cashgrabs at the market.
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That's the typical overreaction I'd expect to see around here.
You do realize that they were going to port it to consoles regardless of which engine they used, right? The key word there is port, as the devs have made it quite clear that the PC is the lead platform in this case.
http://www.pcgamer.com/system-shock-remake-is-made-for-pc-gamers-first-says-game-director/