Fave city trip Europe?

I love Austria. Have never actually made it to Vienna because I'm not fond of large cities, but Salzburgh is beautiful with tons of day trips available to some incredible countryside. Think Sound of Music- I've visited most of the locations from that film!! :)

Yeah, Salzburg is AWESOME!
 
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Haha! And what exactly, besides your delightful company, has Lisboa to offer? :) I must admit I don't know anything about Lisbao. The only thing I know about Portugal is when visiting: go to the the northern part (less tourists).
More than 800 years of rich history, our historical monuments specially those related with Manueline style, the old part of the city with it's charming narrow streets (so the tourists say), the art museums, etc.
I could also speak about the light, how different it is from any other city in the world, or about the women unless of course you're married or are looking for another "gender".
Lisboa has its charms, some stay and never wish to return.
 
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For some reason it's restricting my quote thingies so I will use """ instead. And now it’s not letting me post even with these instead of the tags … ? I would try in two posts instead.

"""I'm definitely interested in the old Roman buildings, the Roman history, the way the Romans lived, always have been. I've never been there, in Italy, I don't exactly understand why, Italy's a beautiful country so I've heard, but somehow I've always felt a slight reluctance. Unfair and unfounded I'm sure. Dreaming about Italy I see… refuse bags, macho boys on scooters, mafia and, yikes!, Berlusconi. :( ;)
Yes, well, maybe it's time to face reality. I'll simply ignore the present and go for the past. :)"""

Who cares about the present anyway ? People only care about the past or their future !!!

In Rome, at least when I went, I didn't see refuse bags, macho boys, mafia or Berlusconi.
I forgot to add the Sistine Chapel and the Vatican. It's a bit further though than Berlin, but I woudl certainly recommend going to Rome especially if you're a fan on Roman civ. Rome also has quite a lot of Renaissance era stuff, not just Classical era stuff. Several villa's of the rich aristocracy feature hundreds of paintings and beautiful surroundings with fountains and stuff.


"""I enjoyed Berlin, I've been there, a long weekend some years ago - it was too short. A week's better. Never been to Potsdam."""

Yeah, I went to Berlin for a weekend too, just now in January. It was much too short, and I would probably go again someday.

"""I myself had been thinking of Berlin. And Brussels, Madrid, Sevilla, Barcelona, Prague and Vienna. But it's so hard to choose…"""

Well, I'm guessing you're young enough to still visit all of these places. I'm just going on the info you've brought up and if you're only going for a week, then that's why I'm suggesting things nearby if you would not fly.

"""Please do."""

Circus Motel or hotel have rooms that aren't too expensive, but are very comfortable.
http://www.circus-berlin.de/

Both the hostel and hotel are good. Really near the city centre too. I walk fast, but it only took 15 minutes to get really in the city centre.

I stayed at the hostel with my brother, in a twin room. It was €70 a night. The room is clean and has a shower. No TV, apparently that's the only difference with the standard room in the hotel which is €80 or €90 (with wifi), well and maybe the size too, but the hostel one is already quite good, we thought.

If you're going with your partner, then I guess the hotel would be a bit better, but they're both next to each other, so you could even ask the people when you call for a booking if you could book one room but you would like to see both before making your final decision. I'm not sure if they would allow that, but well you can always try.

"""Tate Modern? Because that's the one that was already on my list."""

Probably is if that's the main one :)

"""Me and my man."""

I don't know if it matters, but do you both have exactly the same interests or are there some things he likes more or less than you do.
Also, if you're don't mind flying then Edinburgh and Glasgow are very nice. Only stayed there a few days myself, but really nice.
I was there in the winter for new year last year and had a wonderful time with my girlfriend. Stayed in a cheap bed & breakfast near the city centre in Glasgow (£50/night) and went to Edinburgh for a day. Really lovely place. Too far to take a train for me.

Also, are you looking for romantic stuff ? Spa ? I don't know anything about those kinds of things in Antwerp, since I didn't do any romantic stuff then, but I can help you with these things if you're visiting the UK :)

Also, Rome is real pretty for couples too I think.
 
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"""British Museum, London Dungeon, ok, thanks, I'll check it out with Google. Chicago is that one still 'on'? I'd like to see that one. The Lion King, isn't that one better when you've got kids?"""

I don't know if Chicago is still on. The Lion King is probably better with kids, but I went with my girlfriend and she had never been to a musical before and found it magical. I was happy I had planned that :) I would also recommend going to Salieri for dinner before or after as it has wonderful decorations, food isn't the best ever, but just the decoration is worth seeing I think :)

It's just regular Italian food, with a few specials as is usual.

"""Mousetrap, Woman in Black, Mayumana, noted, I'll check it out. Thanks! Love your tips."""

My mom used to bring me to things and then my sister took over when I visited her when she studied there.
I watched Mayumana in Belgium. If Mayumana isn't there actually then maybe the Blue Man Group is. It was quite special too, I think Mayumana is better in music, but the BMG is better presented.

In London there's also just having a picnic in one of the big parks like Hyde Park. I've never done it, but apparently it's a nice thing to do with your guy if it's nice weather.

"""Antwerpen, that's home ;) I've been there quite often, for a stroll and to have dinner basically. I rarely get to know the history and museums of the places I frequent, isn't that odd? """

No, it's not. If the school hadn't brought me to museums I would probably almost never have visited any.

"""Please tell me about the artsy stuff and history. It's practically next door, I can visit it any time, no need to plan a special city trip."""

Good food is the "La Cigale D'argent!" (The Silver Swan). They used be be quite cheap too, but have been raising their prices lately, so now it's like any higher end restaurant.
Antwerp has lots of stuff to visit and I could get someone to show you diamonds maybe, especially if you are interested in buying and they are not too busy. You can get your man to buy something for you. Otherwise there's a Diamond Museum.
If you like chocolates then there's tons of good ones, from cheap factory made stuff, to hand-made chocolates and pralines I could recommend.

I'm not that big on modern art like I said, so I don't know about it so much, but I'm guessing you can find that stuff out on the internet.

I know someone who has become a bit of a celebrity in Belgium, he's a soul singer and does live events sometimes, so if you're interested I could tell you when he sings and where and you could go there for a night or something.

Old art: Museum der Schone Kunsten and then if you like Mediterranean food, the Finjan, just next to it for lunch or dinner or whatever. Open almost 24/7.

"""I like Antwerpen, although I've always felt a bit embarrassed, and tried, in vain, to hide my Dutch accent (I've never visited the 'vogeltjesmarkt', does that count?).
I'm definitely interested in good restaurants and places with Live Music, could you give me a few names?
Perhaps you or your friends can help me out on this one too: I remember a cellar I once visited with long lost local friends, near the center, where classical music was heard, candles were lit and drinks were served - any idea where it is? I can't find it on my own.
"""

I haven't visited much of Antwerp either and actually haven't lived there for quite a while and when I do go back I usually go to the same places or hang out with friends. I have been to the vogeltjesmarkt only once I think, and I'm not sure what's there anymore.
Also, why do you hide your accent ?

None of my friends are into classical music even though I am, but I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Other places to eat would depend on your preferred food tastes ? Also budget-wise actually ?
Depending on who I'm with I go to places like Quick/McDonald's to the above-mentioned Cigale D'argent… So, that would help…

"""Yes, that's why I thought of asking here. :) Though Google is useful too. Last year in Brugge I visited (among other things) a chocolate museum and French fries museum. In Paris (among other things) I enjoyed an amazing display of fireworks (show had sound and laser too), an erotic museum and the Musée Nissim de Camondo, the latter was superb, on a previous visit I went underground: Paris' sewers, most interesting.
I google for restaurants too and read the reviews from locals."""

That sounds quite good and I do the same things when I visit places :) The problem with locals sometimes is that/us always go to the same places and stop visiting after a while.

""""Hm, Knokke, there's a pyrotechnic contest each year, right?"""

Could be, I'm not sure. I usually went just for swimming or driving in one of those bikey things around the dunes, which might not exist anymore. everything's changed.
 
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Do you by any chance have any specific suggestions?

The hostel I gave in my earlier post has some brochures on some full city tours. It's called the brewer's tour I think and is for English-speaking people.
There are several options. The city-tour just to see abit of everything and a good way to find the things you'd want to do for the rest of the trip since you walk all over town, but don't enter many places. So, good for a start.
There's the Third Reich tour, which goes over Nazi-Germany places and some Communist era stuff. All from the same people. City-tour is free and Third Reich was 10 per person I think, so 20 for you and your guy.
 
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Em, do you happen to live in the USA by any chance?


Gosh, I think it's as appealing as a local gambling house: nil. But I could well be misinformed. So please, enlighten me, what's so exciting about Las Vegas?

LV is quite a fun city for a long weekend even if you're not into gambling. Of course if you are then you could stay there until your house is in the hands of the casino.

There's theatre, shows, concerts, mostly nightlife stuff basically. Even with kids you can go and spend your money as there are lots of activities there for kids.
If you're not into gambling then I wouldn't recommend flying the 10 hours or so just to go to LV, but you're flying to the US and making a trip, I would certainly say you should go and see it for a few evenings. It's very different than other places... Not in the old cultural/European way ( where every European city actually IS different )
 
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I'll spend 3 days in London before going to Edinburgh to visit my youngest daughter (My main excuse for going abroad).

One day for the Science museum and maybe Natural History Museum which is nearby.

One day for art: Tate Modern, and The Courtauld Gallery, a small museum with a tremendous collection of impressionist painting.

One day for other things. Time will tell.


After leaving Edinburgh I'll spend some time training around Europe, before going back to Norway. Don't know where - I'll go where the TGV's, the Thalyses, the German ICE's will take me. The benefit of Interrrail for grown-ups.

Edinburgh is a beautiful place. Go to the castle :)
Also at night...

Also, get some cashmere stuff there, it's so soft. I regret not having got any when I was there. It's expensive though...

But ooohhh so soft !!!!
MMMMMM :blush:
 
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Only if it isn't foggy/cloudy. I was there in August and from my experience Bergen is mostly gray. :raincloud: And then there are the trolls… :uhoh:

Yes, that's true. Bergen is somewhat famous for being rainy. During the summer there is a decent chance you'll get lucky, but overall you shouldn't be surprised to see clouds/rain.

That is beautiful! Are Norwegians nice people? I've been told, I'm sorry, they're not very fond of foreigners, is that true?

Depends where you go. People from Bergen are known to be loud and fairly easy to talk to compared to the rest of the country. Stavanger is also pretty good. Oslo is an entirely different story.

Also, lately we've had an increase in "closet racists" - they're not actually open about it, and they call it "protecting Norwegian culture from immigrants" or some rubbish, but in truth there's no doubt about the fact that it's racism through and through. This doesn't really affect tourists a whole lot though, as it's aimed mostly at arabic/african immigrants.

Being from the Netherlands you most likely know what I speak of - in short, these people would follow Geert Wilders any day of the week. From what I know, his party (PVV) gets about 15% of the votes in the Netherlands. In Norway, they'd be getting 20-25% of the votes.

Anyway, while it's certainly a frustrating situation, it doesn't affect tourism at all. If anyone you know of was poorly treated in Norway, they most likely travelled to Oslo, hehe.
 
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For the wellness part..... you'll see Norwegians are dripping with wellness and cash no matter where you go.... almost like a toy country. To make this more clearly..... the people of norway are on average almost twice as rich as the people in the netherlands.... and the Norwegian government is the richest in the world if you look to the size of the country.
 
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Yep, and we have extremely low crime rates and hardly any real poverty. Even the global economic crisis didn't put a dent in the Norwegian economy. Yet people are still whining. I suppose it's human nature to always be greedy and always want more, no matter how much people already have.

In any case, the whiners are usually the same people that would follow Geert Wilders. The majority of the population is pretty reasonable. :)
 
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Well, the human reaction is to be pissed at Norwegians.

Personally, I'm glad there is a place where people seemingly thrive - and I'd rather be pissed that so many people don't have that, than at the few who do.

Needless to say, paradise isn't to have everything - and in that way, Norwegians are no more fortunate than the rest of the western world.

So, whining is a universal reaction - but will be tempered based on what the individual does with what he/she has, as long as it's enough.
 
I'm not pissed at Norwegians for being wealthy, in fact I really like Norway and Norwegians in many ways. But I wish they'd stop destroy the world and coastline with all that oil of theirs.
 
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I'm not pissed at Norwegians for being wealthy, in fact I really like Norway and Norwegians in many ways. But I wish they'd stop destroy the world and coastline with all that oil of theirs.

Yepp. That is the dilemma. We are all pro environment. OTOH, we do depend on producing fossile fuel which is bad for the same environment. But that's ok, since the oil we produce is much cleaner than everywhere else. Eh......

But, I don't know if we're as rich as some of you say. Norway as a nation is wealthy, and unemployment rate is low. But although average income per citizen is higher than in many other countries, it can't be that much higher (I think our wages are about 20% above Sweden, don't know where you got the twice as rich as the dutch from). And several things cost more here than in many other countries.
 
What use is a higher wage if what you buy is similarly expensive?

Income level are still a bit higher than cost level. But you have to take the costs into account when comparing wages between countries.

Another reason for higher costs is that there are relatively small differences in wages between most people. If the employee at the grocery store don't earn that much less than you, what they sell will become more expensive than if the gap was larger. At least that's what I think. And in general I think that is a good thing.

EDIT: BTW, I hope none of you feels that I'm bragging about how rich we are.. I probably can afford a few things better than a lot of you, but if so, the most significant reason for this is that both my daughters have moved out, earning their own money. That does reduce cost considerably. Children are and will remain a loosing-money-project, but less so now we've got rid of them.
 
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I said almost :p and even if you take GPD / PPP which takes into account the cost of things norway is still almost on the top aside from the no tax paradise for rich people places, such as Luxembourg, Singapore.

The difference between norwegian and swedish GDP per capita is about 80%….. a lot of swedes go to norway to work because they can earn so much.

Take also into account that sweden is a very rich country… and you'll understand how rich you are :D

If you take salary into account the average salary in norway is 51% above the swedish one ? probably more now.. as these numbers are a bit old.

http://www.cribsnorge.se/norska-loner?gclid=CKXX8ozYoKcCFcULfAod3FR-cg

So stop denying being rich Pibbur :D

As for prices… yes things are exspensive in norway… but what does it matter than most of you come to sweden to shop? and thanks a lot for that by the way! You took us through the crisis….. reduced the difference in salary between our countries… and created a large amount of jobs for doing that improving our GDP!!!! Imagine if Norwegians didn't shop in sweden… we would not be nearly as good off as we are now in that case.
 
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If you take salary into account the average salary in norway is 51% above the swedish one ? probably more now.. as these numbers are a bit old.

http://www.cribsnorge.se/norska-loner?gclid=CKXX8ozYoKcCFcULfAod3FR-cg

So stop denying being rich Pibbur :D
Heh, I see from that webpage that I earn significantly less than the average software developer/programmer, partly because I'm working in public service. So herafter I will in stead complain!

Maybe I should have stayed being a doctor. OTOH, I really hated working as one.

As for prices… yes things are exspensive in norway… but what does it matter than most of you come to sweden to shop? and thanks a lot for that by the way! You took us through the crisis….. reduced the difference in salary between our countries… and created a large amount of jobs for doing that improving our GDP!!!! Imagine if Norwegians didn't shop in sweden… we would not be nearly as good off as we are now in that case.

And of course, we do things like that solely for the benefit of our neighbours.
 
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