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[magerette]

I'm not overly fond of Brian myself, but Chris Mathews was even worse on MSNBC. You'll have to give the Libtards a few days to foam around about all the historic-ness and get it out of their systems, I think. I actually watched Fox for awhile myself just to see how they handled it, but it was a cross between a Palin rally and a wake, so I split between MSNBC, some crazy Canadians who were covering it, and CNN..

Here's the video clip of Obama's complete speech.

Here's mostly the part I was thinking of for you:

Let us resist the temptation to fall back on the same partisanship and pettiness and immaturity that has poisoned our politics for so long. Let us remember that it was a man from this state who first carried the banner of the Republican Party to the White House - a party founded on the values of self-reliance, individual liberty, and national unity. Those are values we all share, and while the Democratic Party has won a great victory tonight, we do so with a measure of humility and determination to heal the divides that have held back our progress. As Lincoln said to a nation far more divided than ours, We are not enemies, but friends...though passion may have strained it must not break our bonds of affection. And to those Americans whose support I have yet to earn - I may not have won your vote, but I hear your voices, I need your help, and I will be your President too.

 

[dteowner]

I fllipped over to CBS for a few minutes. Their painful bias and unbridled celebration was so sickening that I flipped back to Williams for relief. I used to like Brokaw, but he's free to indulge his bias these days so his commentary was a bit grating. For whatever reason, I just don't think of Fox for news (some would say, "with good reason", I expect), and my experience over the years agrees with those studies I linked a couple days ago that NBC has the least amount of lefty lean.

I'll give Saint Barack a listen when I get home.

 

[shadow_hk]

Well, as expected, my favourite didn't win. I don't want to spoil somebody's joy here but for me Obama's win is a bad signal.

Obama says: the change we need, but at the same time he doesn't tell how exactly the change should look or where to find money for such change(s). His economical program relies too much on an infallible and omnipotent state and is too populistic - as all left-wing campaigns usually are - in Czech Republic it is not different. In fact, maybe it is even much worse, because liberal democrats in USA are still very right-wing in comparison with true socialists and communists in Czech Rep. .

Bush as a president hasn't been without flaw but he knew (as McCain would I believe) what had to be done regardless of public opinions. Yes, I mean war in Irar which I agree with. Withdrawal from Iraq as upcoming US president Obama promises would be considered by muslim world as a defeat of western world with probable unwanted consequences on "other battlegrounds" - especially in Afghanistan) because it would lift immensely self-confidence of all muslim fundamentalists. And eventually US troops and their allies would have to go to Iraq again, in a much broder war.

And regarding current mortgage or financial crisis in USA I think it is wrong to blame Bush administration for that when it' s clear that democrats and maybe Mr. Obama himself are more to be blamed...

see:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212948811465427.html

 

[magerette]

Well, as expected, my favourite didn't win. I don't want to spoil somebody's joy here but for me Obama's win is a bad signal.

Of course you know as a good liberal and Obama supporter, I have to try to talk you down.

Obama says: the change we need, but at the same time he doesn't tell how exactly the change should look or where to find money for such change(s). His economical program relies too much on an infallible and omnipotent state and is too populistic - as all left-wing campaigns usually are - in Czech Republic it is not different. In fact, maybe it is even much worse, because liberal democrats in USA are still very right-wing in comparison with true socialists and communists in Czech Rep. .

Actually Obama has many concrete plans which he has publicly laid out for how he intends to approach changing the economy and the country's state and also how he intends to try to pay for them, but that is beside the main point, which for me is that Obama is a student of history and a moderate. I'm completely confident he will pick a course that benefits the country as a whole as far as he physically and realistically can. He may fall short, but I argue he has a far clearer picture of what he wants to do than McCain ever showed us.

I also am not following your reasoning about populism and socialism--forgive me, but for American society I don't think 'an infallible and omnipotent state' automatically always has to go along with a populist message. Here populism also implies a belief in a fair playing field for all while maintaining personal liberties, with prosperity based on the sanctity of the fruits of one's labor and one's private property. Obama has said he is not for "big government" or "small government" but rather "competent government."

Bush as a president hasn't been without flaw but he knew (as McCain would I believe) what had to be done regardless of public opinions. Yes, I mean war in Irar which I agree with. Withdrawal from Iraq as upcoming US president Obama promises would be considered by muslim world as a defeat of western world with probable unwanted consequences on "other battlegrounds" - especially in Afghanistan) because it would lift immensely self-confidence of all muslim fundamentalists. And eventually US troops and their allies would have to go to Iraq again, in a much broder war.

I don't agree that war in Iraq was the necessary thing to do to counter terrorism, but that is a whole separate argument. I definitely disagree that the Bush(and McCain) doctrine is helpful to US relations in the MidEast, or anywhere else. To the contrary, the Bush and McCain Iraq policies can be argued to be facilitators of radical Islam rather than deterrents, and I've heard the muslim extremists want us to continue to stay in Iraq as long as they can keep us there in order to boost their own recruitment and bankrupt us in the process. Under Obama, there will be no unconditional, turn-tail-and-run withdrawal from Iraq, but it is not in our best interests to remain there indefinitely.

And regarding current mortgage or financial crisis in USA I think it is wrong to blame Bush administration for that when it' s clear that democrats and maybe Mr. Obama himself are more to be blamed...

see:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212948811465427.html

I'll agree the tent is huge when it comes to laying blame for the financial crisis, but I add the caveat that the magazine you quote is part of Rupert Murdoch's right wing news media consortium, and not always an unbiased source of information. I've heard other explanations which say Fannie and Freddie are far from being the lodestone for the crisis that this article makes out--however economics are not my strong suit, so I'll leave that argument to others.

Thanks for adding your comments and point of view, shadow_hk. You are far from alone in your position, and it's always good to have an intelligent discussion.

 

[dteowner]

Here populism also implies a belief in a fair playing field for all while maintaining personal liberties, with prosperity based on the sanctity of the fruits of one's labor and one's private property.

*spittake* Unless you happen to have earned a whole lotta fruit, in which case that sanctity is a little more, ummm, flexible under our new leader.

Under Obama, there will be no unconditional, turn-tail-and-run withdrawal from Iraq

Unless it takes longer than 18 months, which is the most recent maximum limit he has campaigned on. If the job ain't done in 18 months, you'll still see us impersonate a herd of deer according to Saint Barack's policy.
edit- crap, he's changed the limit again, or maybe since this: link

 

[Squeek]

Well, as expected, my favourite didn't win. I don't want to spoil somebody's joy here but for me Obama's win is a bad signal.

Obama's victory means a few things to me:

First, it represents unequivical nationwide rejection of Bush for violating our trust, bungling our country's international relations, and pissing away its wealth. He should be forced to wear a funny hat until the rest of us are satisfied.

Second, it reveals optimism in the face of desperation. Americans were anxious to buy, and after some careful shopping, they plunked their money down on the smart-sounding guy with the nice story and bold plans for the future. That he also happens to be black is a cool dividend.

Third, it indicates remorse. Americans see themselves as good people, salt-of-the-Earth kind of people, and were anxious to demonstrate good faith to themselves and the world after forcing war unnecessarily. More than anything, it was Obama's immediate rejection of the war that won him the Presidency.

 

[dteowner]

Give it up for the latest fafblog

 

[chamr]

"Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"

 

[magerette]

Give it up for the latest fafblog

Best one yet--especially the swing states.

*spittake* Unless you happen to have earned a whole lotta fruit, in which case that sanctity is a little more, ummm, flexible under our new leader

Flexible is good, especially with sanctity. That's why Barack spends so much time at the gym.

 

[Corwin]

I'm closing this thread for obvious reasons; the election has now been held. Feel free to begin a new one if you wish to continue elements of this discussion.