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Probably because I was pissed off.
When a stranger offers his opinion and it pisses you off, something is probably wrong - but maybe it's not the stranger or his opinion.
Probably because I was pissed off.
Their answer is: it varies from location to location. I'd like to know it from Americans, specifically.
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Yes, I think it's the strangely bad valuation of video games in general. That's why there are so many software pirates.
Now, I am looking forward to Risen 2 and any other PB release. Based on the ambition I saw in Gothic 3, and the ability to refine and improve I saw in Risen, it is possible that Piranha have not made their masterpiece yet. And for a company which has already made four of the greatest CRPGs ever, that is again saying something.
it seems there are not a whole lot of people here that understand the development process.
if they did they would never say a thought-out and bugfree product doesn't deserve to be paid 15$.
Some of the programmers would probably shoot you in the face if they could get away with it.
take this as a fact.
Personally, I think it's you - but who knows
Um, fuck you? (I really don't know what other answer you expect from your arrogance. You judge me without knowing me.)
IMHO it's like this: if some people really think that the artists and programmers and designers and composers of Risen do not even deserve 15 dollars for a full RPG with nearly zero bugs, then those people should try to make a game and sell it themselves to see how it is like to get some revenue out of it.
That's all I'm saying.
Yeah, you clearly think that because you consider Risen worth the money, everyone else must think so as well - and if they don't they're basically pirates or some such.
You somehow think developers deserve money, regardless of what their products do for people. So, even if someone doesn't consider Risen worth the money - because he didn't get much out of it - he should still tell other people it's worth it, right?
A very interesting attitude.
Anyway, I have no patience for what you seem to be - so I think I'll let you be that in peace
Cool! At least something. Could you do that please all the time?
it seems there are not a whole lot of people here that understand the development process.
if they did they would never say a thought-out and bugfree product doesn't deserve to be paid 15$.
Some of the programmers would probably shoot you in the face if they could get away with it.
take this as a fact.
But there is this fine difference between saying something isn't worth any money because the developers deliberately created crud, and saying something isn't worth *my* money because the developers created a game that wasn't fun *for me*.
As I already mentioned, this whole communication thingy is a little bit complex, I agree, so here's a little tip for you: The default for a posting is to contain the opinion of it's poster.
First of all, the programmers will probably get paid anyway, because they wouldn't work otherwise. No sane human works 2-3 years for free and hopes for a big bag of money afterwards. The company may go broke if a game doesn't sell, but then the programmers have already been paid. If you don't get paid, get another job. If you are a freelance coder, than you should better hope that your game is good enough. If I'm a freelance hot dog seller, but my hot dogs taste like crap, then nobody will buy them (twice), no matter how hard I worked collecting the crap from the streets.
I pretty much agree with almost anything you post here to an extent where I don't feel I have to write something myself.A product is worth the value it represents and nothing more.
What ignorant people would do because they made an effort making something not everyone wants to pay for, I leave to them.
I think Risen is a fantastic game - and that's why I would recommend paying for it.
But expecting everyone to agree is about as ignorant as I can imagine.
You're trying too hard. Refer to my previous post.First of all, the programmers will probably get paid anyway, because they wouldn't work otherwise. No sane human works 2-3 years for free and hopes for a big bag of money afterwards. The company may go broke if a game doesn't sell, but then the programmers have already been paid. If you don't get paid, get another job. If you are a freelance coder, than you should better hope that your game is good enough. If I'm a freelance hot dog seller, but my hot dogs taste like crap, then nobody will buy them (twice), no matter how hard I worked collecting the crap from the streets.
So we're talking about the company here. And do you REALLY want to imply that every company deserves to earn big bucks just for HAVING a product, no matter how bad, unfinished, boring or ugly it is? And what does "deserve" mean anyway? That everyone should be forced by the government to buy every "thought-out and bugfree" game? You know that it is nonsense and even hk knows that. The company doesn't deserve ANYTHING. If the game is good (for enough people), they will earn money, but not because they somehow "deserve" it, but just because the game is good.
Somehow you don't seem to understand that other people may like different games than you. And somehow you seem to think that this is "unfair" for the programmers: YOU like the game, so of course EVERYONE else also have to like the game. That's nonsense. If I don't like a game, it's worth (and, to make hk smile: "for me") is exactly zero.
And why you want to imply that "some" game coders are crazy psychopaths is beyond my ability to understand, sorry. As I already said: I'm a software developer myself and if a customer says: "Sorry, but your program isn't good enough for us to spend X bucks on." then I don't start going on a killing spree. Instead, I start asking myself, how I can prevent this from happening again (and if it happens again, I'll start looking for a different job).