What is this about? Isn't this Shadowrun?
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects...-returns#WhatTheDealWithTheSorrThinInYourVide
What is this about? Isn't this Shadowrun?
Fully agree. IMO, It doesn't make sense.Ok, look. I need help understanding why this is so evil and bad. I take an economic risk on a product that doesn't exist yet and might conceivably not happen for any number of reasons. Why should I be unhappy that the creator decides to offer me an extra reward or more/special product for taking a risk in supporting him? What in the world is "shit" about this? What makes this worthy of turning your back on the project and (if many many people did the same) ensuring that a shadowrun game would not happen at all?
From my point of view the reaction is way out of proportion and sounds like a really bad hissy fit leftover from Mass Effect. Usually when I see complaints about day-one DLC its fits into a perception that the buyer is being nickel-and-dimed, essentially "cheated" into paying more than they would just buying a single game. But that doesn't fit in here. There's no day-one product available to buyers, just an extra reward for people who took a risk; these aren't the same things. I'm honestly flummoxed and can only guess that you and others looked and said to themselves "the game has been divided more than one piece, evil! EVIL!!!" My word what an overreaction.
Ok, look. I need help understanding why this is so evil and bad. I take an economic risk on a product that doesn't exist yet and might conceivably not happen for any number of reasons. Why should I be unhappy that the creator decides to offer me an extra reward or more/special product for taking a risk in supporting him? What in the world is "shit" about this? What makes this worthy of turning your back on the project and (if many many people did the same) ensuring that a shadowrun game would not happen at all?
From my point of view the reaction is way out of proportion and sounds like a really bad hissy fit leftover from Mass Effect. Usually when I see complaints about day-one DLC its fits into a perception that the buyer is being nickel-and-dimed, essentially "cheated" into paying more than they would just buying a single game. But that doesn't fit in here. There's no day-one product available to buyers, just an extra reward for people who took a risk; these aren't the same things. I'm honestly flummoxed and can only guess that you and others looked and said to themselves "the game has been divided more than one piece, evil! EVIL!!!" My word what an overreaction.
It's fair enough that you want something extra for taking a risk, but for me it goes against what I want.
For me crowd-funding is partly about showing the established gaming studios that I'm not happy with them, and that I'm looking elsewhere when spending my money. I've always advocated the importance of everyone playing the same game - for me it enhances the overall experience.
Some people can't afford to pledge, others don't know of the opportunity. Others again are risk averse. But why should they pay for the final product when they get an inferior product to those who pirate? I didn't buy Mount & Blade before the final release, yet I've bought it at least 10 times since the release (because I want to promote the game). If they had "beta exclusive" content I would never have bought it even once.
Now, I fully support the idea that we suggest they not make content exclusive if that is the community wish… but sabotaging the project because a handful of people think they're fighting the corporate monster here? Give me a break.
You want to sling mud in EA's eye… so be it. But this isn't EA putting micro-transaction "T-Coins" into Tetris here… how about cutting them a bit of slack since they're going out of their way to do our hobby a favor?
Whether one agrees with the sentiments of those who reacted strongly negatively this announcement or not is largely irellevent to whether or not this could be viewed as a mistake. As this discussion has proven, these sorts of bonuses are divisive and do create a negative reaction among some consumers which would not otherwise be present. View it as overreaction, insanity, or orange as you like but recognize that this reaction is predictable and avoidable.
Wow talk about overreactions right? If someone feels so strongly that about this that they want to withdraw their own pledge (I'd argue that's too strong a feeling, but arguing against sentiments is futile and condescending) that is hardly sabotaging the project.
The desire to back these sorts of projects is largely based on sentiment and how excited the prospect makes you - as you are funding something very early in the pipeline in most cases. If someone no longer feels comfortable with the project for whatever reason, they are free to change their mind without being accused of sabotaging the thing just because they might be overreacting in your and my view.
Personally I suggest voicing your dislike to the game creators - they do sort of listen more often in these kickstarter cases as with Wasteland 2's social feature proposal/oops/never-mind.
Do that and give it a little time before considering withdrawing your support, but in the end if it does bother you that much you shouldn't have to be uncomfortable about how you spend your money and are free to vote with your wallet. I don't think it will come to that as most people will still want this game to be made and to be as good as it can be and ultimately the creators will likely consider fan input on the matter. I won't personally withdraw my support over this, but for the sake of the project I would rather them walk away from this one reward idea.
Actually I'm a bit shocked after reading the negative comments. They just want to give you a small reward for trusting them and backing the project, because you're taking a risk there since there's no product yet. And you say "hey this is against all I'm standing for, this is evil, this is sin, I'm going to cancel my pledge." Aren't you a bit overreacting? This isn't an Evil compAny before you that wants your wallets with greedy eyes. They're people who want to resurrect Shadowrun with good old gameplay and modern graphics. Lower your torches and pitchforks.
By the way, there is no message to EA in the Kickstarter process. Major publishers operate in the hundreds of millions. The petty 1M raised by this project is irrelevant. Further, injuring the project in protest of a well-meaning gesture to send a message to EA is just bizarre.
Actually I'm a bit shocked after reading the negative comments. They just want to give you a small reward for trusting them and backing the project, because you're taking a risk there since there's no product yet. And you say "hey this is against all I'm standing for, this is evil, this is sin, I'm going to cancel my pledge." Aren't you a bit overreacting? This isn't an Evil compAny before you that wants your wallets with greedy eyes. They're people who want to resurrect Shadowrun with good old gameplay and modern graphics. Lower your torches and pitchforks.
No, it isn't. And above all, it wasn't done with the same intention.I don't mind some extra trinkets for backers, like the balance-not-afffecting skill in Wasteland 2 or maybe an extra gun (provided there are enough alternatives in the final game), but an entire quest line (or a complete bonus character) is a big NO for me. I have limited funds for backing, so I'm now supporting another game, which was next on my list. Also I can't turn a blind eye on this kind of "service" if it's done by a smaller developer team: it's just as bad as if EA did that.
I'm really confused about people pull their funding. Sounds petty. Hell I thought that line was there from the start so why would would people care now. As much as dislike the custom item stuff, I doubt I'll even want it when I get it.
By the way, there is no message to EA in the Kickstarter process. Major publishers operate in the hundreds of millions. The petty 1M raised by this project is irrelevant. Further, injuring the project in protest of a well-meaning gesture to send a message to EA is just bizarre.